Trump accused of using America’s 250th anniversary celebration ‘to divide us’
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AND,
ODDLY, WE'RE USING OUR BIRTHDAY TO DIVIDE US INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HEAL
US DURING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO EASY TO SAY, LET'S PUT THE DIVISIONS
ASIDE,9 seconds
JUST LIKE DOWN IN LOUISIANA WE DO WITH BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WITH RELATIVES WE DON'T FULLY AGREE WITH.15 seconds
YOU
PUT THE DIVISIONS ASIDE AND SAY WE HAVE CERTAIN VALUES, WE WE SHARE
THEM, WE SHARE THE VALUES OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.22 seconds
LET'S READ THE DECLARATION INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.25 seconds
WALTER, ON THAT POINT, I REMEMBER THE BICENTINIAL CELEBRATIONS.30 seconds
YOU AND I OLD ENOUGH? RIGHT, WE WERE BOTH OLD ENOUGH.33 seconds
AND
ON THAT POINT, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AS WE CELEBRATE THESE KINDS OF
OCCASIONS WHERE AMERICANS APPROACHED THEM DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE WERE AT
DIFFERENT PLACES.45 seconds
SO BLACKS WERE ENSLAVED, WOMEN COULDN'T VOTE.48 seconds
BUT WE FOUND THAT WE COULD FIND COMMON GROUND IN CELEBRATING THE PROGRESS OF AMERICA.54 seconds
HERE YOU HAVE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT IS BENT MORE ON IN MANY WAYS CEMENTING1 minute, 1 second
THE DIVISIONS, US AGAINST THEM, MAKING IT ALL ABOUT TALK TO US ABOUT THE SPIRIT THAT COMES OUT OF THE PRESIDENT AND1 minute, 10 seconds
THESE
MILLER-OF-THE-NIGHT TRUTH SOCIALS AND OTHERS IS COUNTER TO REALLY
TRYING TO CELEBRATE WHAT WE COULD CELEBRATE EVEN THOUGH WE 1 minute, 18 seconds
WERE AT DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS 250 YEARS AGO WHEN THE DECLARATION WAS SIGNED.1 minute, 25 seconds
I THINK IT'S ON US TO DO THAT.1 minute, 27 seconds
YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS AS YOU SAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP KEEPS TRYING TO MAKE IT ABOUT HIMSELF.1 minute, 33 seconds
WHETHER
HE'S THE HEADLINER OF THE RALLY OR HIS NAME IS ON THE KENNEDY CENTER,
WHATEVER IT MAY BE. WE'VE GOT TO GET HIM OUT OF OUR HEAD.1 minute, 39 seconds
WE'VE GOT TO CELEBRATE OUR 250TH AND NOT MAKE IT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS IT ABOUT TRUMP, WE SHOULD JUST SAY NO.1 minute, 50 seconds
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN.1 minute, 52 seconds
I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BECAUSE I'VE DONE THIS BOOK IT'S A SMALL BOOK ABOUT THE DECLARATION.1 minute, 55 seconds
IT'S A SMALL BOOK ABOUT THE DECLARATION AND WHETHER I'M IN AUSTIN OR CHATTANOOGAR, CLEVELAND OR COLUMBUS OR NEW ORLEANS2 minutes, 2 seconds
or Atlanta, people want to celebrate in their communities the values we share.2 minutes, 8 seconds
So I think we'd probably have to just filter out some of what's coming out of Washington.2 minutes, 13 seconds
Cady, I know this anniversary a source I THINK IT'S SO UNSURPRISING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD MAKE THIS ABOUT HIMSELF.2 minutes, 23 seconds
HE IS, I'D ARGUE, OF ALL OF OUR PRESIDENTS, THE ONE WHO PRESIDENT WHO SEEMED LEAST INTERESTED IN LEADING ALL THE PEOPLE.2 minutes, 30 seconds
HE RUNS, HE SUPPORTS, HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF HIS VOTERS, OF HIS BASE, OF HIS PARTY.2 minutes, 38 seconds
AND
SADLY, WHAT SHOULD BE TO WALTER'S POINT A MOMENT OF UNITY, INSTEAD HE
IS USING IT TO MAKE IT ABOUT HIMSELF AND FRANKLY FURTHER OUR COMPARED
DIVISIONS.2 minutes, 47 seconds
YEAH,
I MEAN JOHN LIKE THE REV AND WALTER I AM OLD ENOUGH AS WELL TO REMEMBER
I WAS A CHILD IN SAUDI ARABIA AND I REMEMBER BEING INVITED2 minutes, 56 seconds
TO
THE AMERICAN EMBASSY WHICH I REMEMBER BEING INVITED TO THE AMERICAN
EMBASSY WHICH I LOVED BECAUSE YOU HAD HAMBURGERS AND IT WAS A
CELEBRATION OF AMERICA.3 minutes, 5 seconds
THAT WAS A TIME IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE AMERICA COULD DO NO WRONG.3 minutes, 10 seconds
YOU WERE THE GUYS WITH THE MONEY, YOU WERE THE GUYS with the power.3 minutes, 13 seconds
And now I think about America's reputation in the Middle East, in the middle of this ill-advised adventure into Iran,3 minutes, 21 seconds
and so much has been squandered in terms of America's REPUTATION AROUND THE WORLD, FROM 200 TO 250,3 minutes, 28 seconds
THIS LOOKS LIKE A VERY DIFFERENT COUNTRY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES POINT OF VIEW.3 minutes, 32 seconds
BUT DAVID, YOU'VE BEEN WRITING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.3 minutes, 34 seconds
YOUR LATEST PIECE FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES IS TITLED THE FIRE OF THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT3 minutes, 43 seconds
AUTHORITARIANISM IS ONCE AGAIN APPEALING TO PEOPLE AT A TIME WHEN TWO THINGS ARE HAPPENING AT ONCE.3 minutes, 48 seconds
LIBERAL
DEMOCRACIES ARE STRUGGLING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A substantial portion
of their citizens and entire generations have come of age with no living
memory3 minutes, 57 seconds
of the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century.4 minutes, 1 second
In other words, millions upon millions of people are enduring democracy as the worst form of government4 minutes, 7 seconds
without
the necessary balanced understanding that citizens in the mid-20th
century had gained through first-hand EXPERIENCED AND OBSERVATION4 minutes, 16 seconds
EXCEPT ALL THOSE OTHER FORMS THAT HAVE BEEN TRIED.4 minutes, 20 seconds
IN
THEIR FRUSTRATION, ALL TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO THE
THEORITICAL BENEFITS OF AUTHORITARIANISM AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE
EXPERIENCE OR THE EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND IT'S ACTUAL AND INEVITABLE.4 minutes, 33 seconds
IT'S A SUPER INTERESTING WAY OF FRAMING IT, DAVID.4 minutes, 37 seconds
AND I WONDER HOW YOU PUT THE DEFEATER VICTOR ORBAN IN THIS CONTEXT.4 minutes, 42 seconds
I
HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THAT
AUTHORITARIAN REGIME FAILED TO DELIVER FOR PEOPLE AND WAS BASICALLY
GIVEN TEN YEARS.4 minutes, 51 seconds
AND
AFTER TEN YEARS, IF YOU CAN'T DELIVER FOR PEOPLE IF YOU'RE TOO CORRUPT
AND THERE'S NO ECONOMIC GROWTH, THEY THREW ORBAN OUT OF OFFICE, AND
COULD THAT BE THE KIND5 minutes
OF
SILVER LINING IN THIS PROJECT THAT AUTHORITARIAN REGIMES DON'T DELIVER
FOR THEIR PEOPLE AND SO THEIR PEOPLE TAKE, IF THEY CAN, THE CHANCE TO
GET RID OF THEM.5 minutes, 9 seconds
YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE people of Hungary went further down that road of authoritarianism than even we've gone yet.5 minutes, 16 seconds
And when they got further down that road, they started to experience all those negative effects from history.5 minutes, 21 seconds
They
started to experience the corruption that we see, for example, in the
Trump administration. They started to feel the isolation.5 minutes, 29 seconds
They began to see how authoritarianism sort of has utopian promises. It always over promises and it under delivers.5 minutes, 36 seconds
So they went through kind of some hard earned experience that we're having right now.5 minutes, 43 seconds
And
I do think and you are beginning to see these opinion polls where just
that steady decline of Trump indicates that the people are rejecting it.5 minutes, 51 seconds
The
problem we keep having, though, is we just keep having to walk right
into these experiences rather than learning the lessons of history.6 minutes
If
we knew the lessons of history, that Trumpian authoritarianism wouldn't
have been so appealing to such a large percentage of Americans.6 minutes, 9 seconds
But
we've forgotten those lessons, we've forgotten them again and again,
and it's like we're walking through, as I said in the column, a museum
of wretched ideas where6 minutes, 17 seconds
you've
got all of these bad ideas at once from the 20th century just coming
back down upon us, from tariffs to Gilded Age corruption to young people
6 minutes, 25 seconds
flirting with communism and fascism to anti-Semitism.6 minutes, 30 seconds
Hovering over it all while Europe is in a land war. The Middle East is in turmoil.6 minutes, 34 seconds
And
you just ask how many of these really bad ideas are we going to be
trying again over the next few years until we finally snap to our
senses? David, it's Walter Isaacson.6 minutes, 46 seconds
Let me ask you about what may be the underlying causes of some of this embrace of authoritarianism and rejection of democracy.6 minutes, 56 seconds
And I would posit that over the past 40, 50 years, we did an era of liberal democracy that involved global trade,7 minutes, 4 seconds
free
movements of people, free movements of capital, offshoring of jobs.
And we said it would create great wealth. And we were right, it created
great wealth.7 minutes, 13 seconds
But it totally gutted a working class from Hungary to England to the United States and it didn't deliver.7 minutes, 36 seconds
And we were right, I think two things can be true at once here.7 minutes, 41 seconds
Number one, it's absolutely clear that millions upon millions of people, not just in the U .S., this is globally.7 minutes, 48 seconds
Look at liberal democracy and say it isn't delivering on its promises to me. That is something that is absolutely true.7 minutes, 57 seconds
It is also true, though, that liberal democracy is always going to be messy. It's always going to involve compromises.8 minutes, 4 seconds
It's always going to involve democratic outcomes, where one side doesn't forever and ever vanquish its opponents.8 minutes, 10 seconds
You always have to accommodate your opponents in a liberal democracy. So it ends up being very messy.8 minutes, 16 seconds
And so we have trouble holding these two things in our minds at once. We can do better and it will never be perfect.8 minutes, 24 seconds
The problem you have with a lot of the authoritarians is they are promising something that they cannot deliver.8 minutes, 31 seconds
They are promising to correct all the problems of liberal democracy.8 minutes, 34 seconds
They are promising that they could do something better and they cannot.8 minutes, 38 seconds
And what we're trying to do is correct our democracy without sliding into the failed ideas of the past.8 minutes, 45 seconds
And that, that is I think one of the fundamental challenges of our time.8 minutes, 51 seconds
David French, let's turn to events in Washington this week.8 minutes, 54 seconds
The
Congress returns to D .C., and it comes at a moment where there has
been, and I don't want to overstate this, there's not a Republican
revolt9 minutes, 2 seconds
against Donald Trump, but there has been some noticeable pushback, particularly in the Senate in recent days.9 minutes, 9 seconds
wrote
about it at the end of last week, though Trump has increased his hold
on the party in many ways, including backing, you know, his primary
candidates that he backs win.9 minutes, 19 seconds
He has ousted a lot of the dissenters in the party with John Cornyn being the latest.9 minutes, 24 seconds
But
he's also really, frankly, angered many Republicans in the upper
chamber who, the reason why they were on recess last week is they went
home early because they refused after the Cornyn matter.9 minutes, 35 seconds
THEY REFUSED TO TAKE UP THE WEAPONIZATION FUND.9 minutes, 38 seconds
THEY'VE PUT SOME ROAD BLOCKS IN FRONT OF THE BALLROOM FUNDING. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING HERE?9 minutes, 44 seconds
IS THIS JUST A BLIP AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE SO MANY HAVE BEEN BEFORE AND LARGELY THE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S REIGN?9 minutes, 50 seconds
DO
YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A SMALL DEGREE OF INDEPENDENCE FROM THE SENATE
WHO MIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME BE STARTING TO LOOK BEYOND PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S REIGN?10 minutes
I THINK you're going to see the latter.10 minutes, 2 seconds
And
I'm glad you said small degree of independence again, you know, the
people have been people have been looking for this dramatic break for a
long time, and you're going to keep looking.10 minutes, 11 seconds
But small degree of independence?10 minutes, 13 seconds
Yeah,
I think you're going to BEGIN TO SEE IT, AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT
THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT A LOT OF THESE SENATORS ARE
VERY10 minutes, 20 seconds
AWARE OF THAT HAS BEEN SORT OF UNDERPLAYED IN THE PUBLIC, AND THAT IS TRUMP TURNED ON senators who had10 minutes, 28 seconds
in many ways been doing everything that they could to signal their loyalty to Trump.10 minutes, 32 seconds
I
mean, Senator Cornyn in the days before the Paxton endorsement had been
working time and DONE ONE TIME AGAIN TO DEMONSTRATE HIS LOYALTY TO
TRUMP.10 minutes, 42 seconds
NOW THE THING THAT WAS VERY CLEAR IS THAT IT'S 100 % HAVE 100 % LOYALTY OR NOTHING10 minutes, 49 seconds
FOR TRUMP BECAUSE HE TOOK ON SENATORS WHO HAD BROKEN with him in some important ways in the past.10 minutes, 55 seconds
So, for example, Senator Cornyn voting to certify the election.10 minutes, 59 seconds
But
again and again, you were not talking about senators who had defied
Trump all over THE PLACE, OR SENATORS WHO WERE DEFYING TRUMP ALL THE
TIME, JUST VERY RARELY, VERY SELECTIVELY.11 minutes, 10 seconds
AND SO THEY'RE NOW LEARNING THAT TO BE WITH TRUMP, IT'S 100 % OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TARGET ON YOUR BACK.11 minutes, 17 seconds
IT IS HOLDING A STANDARD THAT IS DANGEROUS FOR THEM OR THERE'S A POLITICAL TARGET ON THEIR BACK.11 minutes, 23 seconds
AND SO THIS IS INFURIATING, IT'S FRUSTRATING, IT'S DEMONSTRATING THAT OFTEN LOYALTY IS A MOVING TARGET.11 minutes, 30 seconds
AND I DO THINK THAT that frustration is going to spill over in some important ways. That loyalty also being a one-way street.11 minutes, 37 seconds
But by Trump's purges here, he has potentially hurt his ability to get things done if the Republicans revolt.11 minutes, 46 seconds
THE GOP'S ABILITY, POTENTIALLY, TO HOLD ON TO THE SENATE THIS NOVEMBER, ADDING TO HIS INCREASINGLY LAME DUCK STATUS.
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