Joe: Trump has been ‘way too eager’ for an Iran deal and 'has PAID for It'
The United States and Iran traded strikes again this morning. President Trump reportedly warned strikes could continue if an agreement to end the war is not reached. Meanwhile, the Iranian military has now ordered the Strait of Hormuz be completely closed to all vessels. The Morning Joe panel discusses the latest fallout in the Iran war.
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YOU KNOW, Mika, LIKE WE TOO EAGER FOR A DEAL AND HE'S PAID FOR IT.
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THE WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PAGE HAS A NEW PIECE OUT THIS MORNING AND IT'S CALLED TRUMP NEEDS A NEW12 seconds
THAT IS NOT A BIG DEAL, MR. TRUMP SAID, AMIR TIT-FOR-TAT,20 seconds
HE
SAID THE SAME FOR IRAN SUNDAY STRIKE ON ISRAEL, URGING IT NOT TO REPLY
SINCE THE MISSILES DIDN'T HURT ANYBODY. THAT LOGIC LEADS TO TROUBLE.30 seconds
ONLY BY A MIRACLE DID TWO U .S.32 seconds
PILOTS
SURVIVE AFTER AN IRANIAN DRONE STRUCK AND HAD BEEN BURNED INSIDE THEIR
APACHE HELICOPTER NEAR THE STRAIGHT OF HORMOUZ ON MONDAY.40 seconds
YET MR. TRUMP'S EARLY REACTION WAS TO SAY THAT THIS TOO WASN'T A BIG DEAL. AN ATTACK ON AN APACHE HELICOPTER.48 seconds
MR. TRUMP WON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, BUT HE HAS BEEN DANCING TO IRAN'S HE WILL HAVE TO BREAK FROM IT OR55 seconds
GO DOWN AS LOSING THE WAR POLITICALLY DESPITE THE EARLY MILITARY GAINS.1 minute
MR.
TRUMP STILL HOPES FOR A DIPLOMATIC BREAKTHROUGH GET THROUGH, BUT EVEN
THE PRESS'S FAVORITE UNNAMED PAKISTANI OFFICIALS ARE NOW DOWNBEAT.1 minute, 9 seconds
AS LONG AS IRAN BELIEVES MR. TRUMP IS STUCK WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE NOW IS1 minute, 19 seconds
TO ALTER THE FACTS ON THE GROUND OR LEAVE THE CONFLICT IN A WORSE POSITION THAN MR. BUSH DID1 minute, 26 seconds
THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THIS OP-ED ABOUT WHAT GEORGE W. BUSH DID WITH AT THE END, IN 07, WITH A SURGE AND HOW IT MADE1 minute, 35 seconds
HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT MILITARILY HOW TO OPEN UP THE STRAIGHT AND KEEP THE STRAIGHT OPEN.1 minute, 42 seconds
ALSO, HE MAY WANT TO GO IN AND DO A JOINT OPERATION WITH FOR THE ISRAELIS TO SEIZE THEIR NUCLEAR MATERIAL.1 minute, 50 seconds
VERY RISKY MOVE, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL SAYS.1 minute, 53 seconds
BUT SITTING BACK AND WAITING FOR THE IRANIANS TO NEGOTIATE AND ON THE IRANIANS COULD WILL. AT LOOSE ALWAYS LEADS TO TROUBLE.2 minutes, 2 seconds
YOU, OF COURSE, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU WROTE THE BIOGRAPHY OF DR. BRUZINSKI.2 minutes, 8 seconds
THAT GETS YOU INSIDE I THOUGHT WE HAD THE CARTER WHITE HOUSE DURING THOSE TORCHUOUS DAYS WHERE CHRIS MATHEWS HAS2 minutes, 15 seconds
SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THIS SHOW, WE WOULD BE TOLD THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DEAL. WE GOT EXCITED.2 minutes, 21 seconds
WE DID EVERYTHING WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD LINE UP THE DEAL TO GET THE HOSTAGES HOME.2 minutes, 25 seconds
AND THEN THE IRANIANS HE SAID THEY DID IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.2 minutes, 33 seconds
THEY JUST PLAY U .S. PRESIDENTS.2 minutes, 35 seconds
IF
THOSE US PRESIDENTS LOOK WHEN THEY LOOK LIKE THEY NEED A DEAL, THAT'S
WHEN THINGS GET REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE IRANIANS CLAMP
DOWN.2 minutes, 45 seconds
YEAH, I MEAN, THEY They are famously known worldwide, not just as Iranians but as Persians2 minutes, 52 seconds
through history, as very tough hagglers and negotiators.2 minutes, 57 seconds
And they play for time, and they faint, and they walk cough and they play mind games with the people they're negotiating with.3 minutes, 6 seconds
Carter did discover this to his lasting cost several times during3 minutes, 16 seconds
I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A DEAL TO RELEASE THE OSTAGEES WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, REALLY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED,3 minutes, 25 seconds
TRANSFORMED THE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND THEN IRAN PULLED THE RUG.3 minutes, 30 seconds
IT TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, I mean, Iran really needed weapons because Iraq, Saddam Hussein's Iraq had just invaded Iran.3 minutes, 38 seconds
Iran really needed weapons, so that was finally the leverage Carter had been seeking to get those hostages out,3 minutes, 46 seconds
and
they kept going right up to the brink of a deal and lots of public
positive statements from the White House and then Iran would pull the
rug.3 minutes, 55 seconds
Now
there's a theory as to, you know, why that might have been happening in
terms of the Reagan campaigns, back channel communications with the
Iranians.4 minutes, 4 seconds
But this has been going on for 47 years at least. I mean, U .S.4 minutes, 10 seconds
President, with patience and time and a strategy and a theory of the case like Barack Obama had with 4 minutes, 18 seconds
a 2015 nuclear deal, might get somewhere, but if you're in a hurry, Iran's got more time? Yeah.4 minutes, 27 seconds
Yeah, they've got more time and they will walk away as, you know, David Ignatius told us yesterday,4 minutes, 35 seconds
YOU HAVE TO LET THE ORANIANS KNOW THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WALK AWAY.4 minutes, 40 seconds
EITHER YOU DON'T WANT THE RUG OR YOU DON'T WANT THE NUCLEAR DEAL.4 minutes, 45 seconds
YOU HAVE TO LET THE ORANIANS KNOW THAT YOU I JUST NOTICING THIS HEADLINE.4 minutes, 50 seconds
WE HAVE SEEN A HEADLINE IN FINANCIAL TIMES FOR ED LOOSE'S ARTICLE THAT SOMEHOW MANAGES TO4 minutes, 57 seconds
INSULT SUPPORTERS OF BOTH OF THE GENTLEMEN IN THAT HEADLINE, TRUMP SUPPORTERS GOING5 minutes, 5 seconds
HOW
DARE YOU COMPARE US TO JIMMY CARTER AND JIMMY CARTER SAYING HOW DARE
YOU COMPARE SUCH A GOOD MAN TO DONALD TRUMP BUT THERE IT IS.5 minutes, 12 seconds
YOU KNOW THE COMMON YOU KNOW, IRAN, IF YOU DEPEND ON THE GOOD WILL OF IRAN'S5 minutes, 20 seconds
NEGOTIATORS
AND IF THEY SEE A WEAKNESS, MAN, THEY KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE THAT
AND THEY WILL EXPLOIT IT. WE HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE THIS
EXPERIENCE.5 minutes, 29 seconds
JIMMY
CARTER HAD AN ELECTION IN 1980 THAT HE WAS TRYING TO THEY ARE NOT
WORRIED ABOUT THEY WOULD MAKE EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT FOR AND THE IRANIANS
WOULDN'T DO IT.5 minutes, 37 seconds
AND
NOW YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP, THEY KNOW HE HAS THE MIDTERMS TO WORRY ABOUT
SO THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT MAKING A DEAL RIGHT NOW.5 minutes, 44 seconds
AND HE SAYS HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE MIDTERMS.5 minutes, 47 seconds
HE SAID THAT OUT LOUD TOO, BUT HE IS CLEARLY DESPERATE TO GET A DEAL AND WALK AWAY FROM THIS BOARD.5 minutes, 52 seconds
REMEMBER,
HE SAID AGAIN HE'S KIND OF BORED, HE FIND HIS NEGOTIATIONS BORING, HE
DOESN'T QUITE CARE, HE'D LOVE TO TURN THE PAGE TO SOMETHING ELSE.6 minutes
RICHARD, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAR, PRESIDENT TRUMP THOUGHT HE COULD BOMB IRAN INTO submission.6 minutes, 4 seconds
We're the United States of America, we can do whatever we need to do.6 minutes, 7 seconds
We
heard that kind of swagger from the defense secretary as well and it
has turned out that Iran as always for generations and centuries is a
much more complicated problem than that is.6 minutes, 17 seconds
So
if the president is in the situation room yesterday talking to his
national security team about new strikes, I guess the question is to
what end?6 minutes, 25 seconds
You bomb more targets and then what happens?6 minutes, 28 seconds
That's the emptiness of the Wall Street Journal taking punches.6 minutes, 46 seconds
So that's the triumph of hope over strategy, the triumph of hope over history and over experience.6 minutes, 51 seconds
So let's so that's not going to that's not going to work.6 minutes, 54 seconds
Plus, as we've seen in the United States appears to have hit a water storage area in southern Iran.7 minutes, 2 seconds
Well, what do we want to see?7 minutes, 4 seconds
Do we want to see Iran go after the Saudi desalinization plants?7 minutes, 8 seconds
Do we want to see basically most of the energy infrastructure and water for infrastructure in the region has been off limits.7 minutes, 14 seconds
The
last thing in the world we should want to see is what has been a crisis
become a true calamity for the region and the world. So we've got to be
really careful.7 minutes, 23 seconds
So
not NOT ONLY WILL MORE MILITARY ACTION PROBABLY NOT BRING THE
NEGOTIATING RESULT, ESCALATION WILL NOT SERVE US. THE PRESIDENT KNOWS
THAT.7 minutes, 30 seconds
BY THE WAY IS THE REASON HE'S BEEN SO HESITANT. WHAT'S THE ANSWER, THEN, RICHARD?7 minutes, 36 seconds
IS THE ANSWER USING MILITARY OPTIONS TO OPEN THE STRAIGHT? IS IT THE STATUS QUO?7 minutes, 44 seconds
WHAT WHAT IS, IF YOU WERE ADVISING THE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING WHAT WOULD IT BE? WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM?7 minutes, 49 seconds
I
WOULD TELL HIM ON THE NUCLEAR JUST CONTINUE TO SEND THE MESSAGE SO LONG
AS YOU DON'T CHANGE THE STATUS OF the nuclear materials, we won't
attack that.7 minutes, 58 seconds
That's fine. We've lived with that for months, Joe.8 minutes
And there'll be no financial transfers of any sort until you open the strait.8 minutes, 6 seconds
We keep the blockade in IN PLACE AND WE HAVE TO WAIT. THAT IS OUR STRATEGY FOR NOW. IT MIGHT NEED ME WAITING LONG.8 minutes, 14 seconds
IRAN IS IN SERIOUS ECONOMIC DIFFICULTY AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO, I THINK WHERE WE CAN, WE WE RAMP UP ECONOMIC PRESSURE.8 minutes, 23 seconds
THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE ACHILOUS HEAL OF THE REGIME. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU AGREE WITH J .D.8 minutes, 29 seconds
VANCE
MORE THAN FOR THE PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WHO ALWAYS SAYS THIS DEAL IS
TWO OR THREE DAYS AWAY, J .D. VANCE SAYING THIS MAY TAKE A YEAR.8 minutes, 36 seconds
HE DIDN'T SAY IF YOU WANT TO HE SAID WE MAY BE IN THIS FIGHT FOR A YEAR.8 minutes, 40 seconds
BUT
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU'RE
THE PRESIDENT, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT IT OUT.8 minutes, 47 seconds
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THREE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN FIVE DAYS.8 minutes, 51 seconds
IT
MIGHT BE IN THREE TO FIVE MONTHS WHERE YOU MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, YOU
HAVE THIS SORT OF COLD WAR AND YOU WAIT THINGS THAT ARE WAIT FOR IRAN8 minutes, 59 seconds
TO NEED A DEAL BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING SO CHOKED OFF ECONOMICALLY BY THE RICHARD RISCHERD HASS BLOCKADE.9 minutes, 8 seconds
TRADEMARK RESERVE 2026, RICHARD HASS. THANK I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A YEAR. I THINK IT'S SOONER THAN THAT.9 minutes, 16 seconds
IT IS, AGAIN, AS I'M SAYING, THE AKILLES HEAL OF THIS REGIME.9 minutes, 20 seconds
YOU
DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION DID WHICH WAS A LETTER IRAN
SELL OIL ON THE OPEN MARKET FOR THE SHIPS THAT WERE OUT THERE.9 minutes, 27 seconds
YOU
LOOK FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO RAMP UP THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE
BUT YEAH, JOE, IT MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER FEW WEEKS OR A FEW MONTHS BUT I9 minutes, 35 seconds
BELIEVE
WE WILL GET THERE AND THAT IS A BETTER WAY TO GET THE WALL STREET
JOURNAL PROPOSES, SENDING IN TROOPS TO TAKE OUT THE ENRICHED URANIUM,
ARE YOU KIDDING?9 minutes, 43 seconds
YOU KNOW, THE RISK OF NEW BOMBING, A CONVOYING OPERATION IN THE STRAIGHT IS REALLY THE AMOUNT OF NAVAL ASSETS9 minutes, 51 seconds
AND AIR ASSETS YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE TO GET VIRTUALLY NO OIL THROUGH, THE RATIOS MAKE NO SENSE.9 minutes, 57 seconds
SO
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE GREAT OPTIONS, AND GUESS WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU START A WAR YOU WE KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE KEEPS THREATENING
VIOLENCE.10 minutes, 9 seconds
WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF ESCALATION THE LAST COUPLE DAYS BUT HE STILL DOESN'T WANT TO RESUME FULL-FLEDGED CONFLICT.10 minutes, 14 seconds
HE'S
MADE THAT VERY CLEAR, IN PART, AS RICHARD JUST SAID, BECAUSE THE NEXT
STEPS WOULD LIKELY BE, THOUGH HE TALKED, STRIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, STRIKING
POWER PLANTS, STRIKING WATER PLANTS.10 minutes, 23 seconds
AND NOT ONLY WITH THAT POTENTIALLY CREATE A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN IT'S GOING TO SETTLE INTO THE COLD WAR,10 minutes, 33 seconds
LOW-LEVEL HOSTILITIES, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS KEEP ENERGY PRICES REALLY10 minutes, 41 seconds
WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO NOVEMBER WHEN THAT VOTE TAKES PLACE.10 minutes, 47 seconds
I
THINK THE ONLY DOWNSIDE OF WHAT RICHARD IS SUGGESTING IS THAT WE COULD
BE REACHING SOMETHING OF A MORE CRITICAL MOMENT INTO ENERGY PRICES FROM
WHAT I'M HEARING THAT U .S.10 minutes, 56 seconds
INVENTORIES ARE THE LOWEST THEY'VE EVER BEEN ON RECORD BECAUSE SO MUCH OIL IS GETTING EXPORTED FROM THE UNITED STATES.11 minutes, 3 seconds
THE
CHINESE HAVE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON IMPORTS OF OIL WHICH IS PARTLY WHY THE
PRICES HAVE NOT GOT HIGHER BUT THAT COULD CHANGE TOO.11 minutes, 9 seconds
NOW
THE IRANIANS ARE GETTING SOME OUT, THEY'RE GETTING SOME OUT BY TRUCK
THROUGH THROUGH PAKISTAN, THEY'RE GETTING SOME OUT BY TRUCK THROUGH
TURKEY.11 minutes, 17 seconds
SO
YES, THEY'RE IN A FINANCIAL SQUEEZE BUT THEY ARE MANAGING TO EXPORT
ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY WERE EXPORTING BEFORE, THEY'RE NOT TOTALLY UP
AGAINST11 minutes, 24 seconds
THE WALL IN TERMS OF THEIR FINANCES.11 minutes, 27 seconds
SO IF THIS TAKES A WHILE, THE QUESTION IS THERE ARE TWO PARALLEL TRACKS.11 minutes, 31 seconds
HOW LONG DO WE WAIT AND HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO TAKE I THINK YOU HAVE A POLITICAL SITUATION HERE THAT IS NOT TOLERABLE.11 minutes, 39 seconds
I
THINK THE PRESIDENT CAN MANAGE THE SITUATION HERE AT THE MOMENT, BUT
IF WE SEE THIS SUMMER AN EXTRA SPIKE IN GAS PRICES AT THE PUMP, THAT'S
GOING TO11 minutes, 47 seconds
I THINK IT'S GOING TO CAUSE HIM EVEN MORE PROBLEMS AND MAKE HIM WANT TO WRAP THIS UP QUICKER.
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