Trump’s Trick To Avoid Blame For Violence w/ Mehdi Hasan
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Speaker
1: Welcome, welcome, Eddie. Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about political violence, because there was an
assassination attempt on Trump.
8 seconds
Speaker 1: The guy did not get anywhere near him. Speaker 1: He was a floor away and 800 feet, and a lot of us were there.15 seconds
Speaker 1: But it was still someone who was, he may have been a neoliberal, actually.22 seconds
Speaker
1: I'm laughing not because political violence is funny, but because a
neoliberal is not who you think of generally. Speaker 2: Radical
centrist terrorism.29 seconds
Speaker
2: Yes. Speaker 2: He's a blue sky guy. Speaker 2: It's interesting
because of the three Trump assassination attempts, we should be clear,
Speaker 2: he's the first clear Democrat.37 seconds
Speaker
2: I know they claim that the Democrats are trying to kill Trump, but
the first guy who nicked Speaker 2: his ear was a registered Republican.
Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 2: They always forget to mention that.
Speaker 2: The second guy-45 seconds
Speaker
1: And he was trained as a sharpshooter, right? Speaker 1: That's why
he was so good. Speaker 1: Or he had had some military- Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: The guy who did Trump?54 seconds
Speaker
2: The first guy. Speaker 2: I don't remember. Speaker 2: They all
merged into one, the Charlie Cohen and the Trump one. Speaker 2: But he
was a registered Republican.58 seconds
Speaker
2: We don't hear much about him anymore. I always find that
interesting. Same with the golf club guy. The guy at Mar-a-Lago was an
independent. He was all over the place, his politics. And then there's
this guy who actually, yes, clearly the alleged shooter, although he
didn't fire a gun, it was a secret service he fired. Last Saturday, the
alleged assassin was a Democrat. But, you know, the right are so good at
doing this. They're trying to kill Trump. I often have fun on Twitter
saying, who's the they? Who is they? Right. Like they're trying to go.
Chuck Schumer's plotting assassination.1 minute, 26 seconds
Speaker
2: It's absurd. Chuck Schumer can't even write a sternly worded letter.
He's not plotting to assassinate Donald Trump. Speaker 2: No, he's not.
But they're so good at pushing this line. The one thing the right is
very good at.1 minute, 35 seconds
Speaker
2: They're not very good at governing. They're not very good at telling
the truth, but they're very good at message discipline.1 minute, 39 seconds
Speaker
2: And so once the line goes out, they all say, and obviously we've now
seen revelations from Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend, mother of his child,
now switching away from the casket.1 minute, 48 seconds
Speaker
2: She's been revealing about what happens in some of these WhatsApp
groups and mess, you know, group chats where they all have the talking
points go out.1 minute, 54 seconds
Speaker
2: the ballroom talking point goes out. So I think it's really
interesting to look and see at how Speaker 2: they've managed to
persuade the American public. You look at the polling now. Americans are
actually2 minutes, 3 seconds
Speaker
2: more concerned about left wing violence than right wing violence,
despite the opposite being the case Speaker 2: for the last 10 years,
which, again, is testimony to the power of the media machine, because we
don't2 minutes, 12 seconds
Speaker
2: talk about all the right wing violence that is still happening, nor
do we talk about the fact Speaker 2: that every single empirical study,
every single academic study, every single government study2 minutes, 20 seconds
Speaker
2: shows that right wing political violence is the biggest threat in
this country, much bigger than Speaker 2: going back five years, 10
years, 15 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years.2 minutes, 30 seconds
Speaker
2: Facts don't care about your feelings, as the right used to like to
say. Speaker 2: And even the examples, they've just airbrushed out.
Speaker 2: They say stuff like, did you see someone recently, Molly,
after say on Twitter,2 minutes, 39 seconds
Speaker
2: well, did anyone ever try and assassinate Barack Obama and Joe
Biden? Speaker 2: Yes, many times. Speaker 2: There were bullets fired
at the White House while young Sasha Obama was in the house.2 minutes, 48 seconds
Speaker
1: Yeah. Speaker 1: And also, let me add that Donald Trump truthed, or I
guess it was tweeted back then, Speaker 1: a picture of Joe Biden all
tied up in the back of a...2 minutes, 56 seconds
Speaker
1: Yes. Speaker 1: Right? In the back of a... Speaker 2: He tweeted a
video which had that image of Biden like hogtied in a van. Speaker 2: I
mean, don't even get me started on Donald Trump's incitement to
violence.3 minutes, 6 seconds
Speaker
2: I mean, he hasn't stopped even since the shooting. Speaker 2: But
this idea that... Speaker 1: Good people on both sides. Speaker 2: I
mean, the idea that either A, this is a left-wing specific problem,3 minutes, 15 seconds
Speaker
2: or B, a both-sides issue and all the evidence shows it's mostly the
right is insane. Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. Speaker 2: Americans have
the memory of a goldfish.3 minutes, 24 seconds
Speaker
2: We know that. Speaker 2: It's eight seconds we forget. Speaker 2:
But like Melissa Hortman last year in Minnesota, Speaker 2: murdered by a
Trump supporter. Speaker 1: Her husband and the dog. Speaker 1: Her
husband and others injured.3 minutes, 32 seconds
Speaker
2: And the guy who did it, by the way, Speaker 2: they refashioned that
into, Speaker 2: oh, he was a Tim Walz supporter. Speaker 2: And it was
like, no, he told the blaze, Speaker 2: I'm a three-time Trump voter.3 minutes, 40 seconds
Speaker
2: The guy who attacked Paul Pelosi was an election denier. Speaker 1:
They claim he was a lefty as well. Speaker 2: Like Cesar Sayoc.3 minutes, 47 seconds
Speaker
2: Remember the pipe bomber who sent pipe bombs in 2018 Speaker 2: to
every top Democrat in the country, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack
Obama, Joe Biden,3 minutes, 54 seconds
Speaker
2: George Soros, Cory Booker. Like, he's in prison. He was a big Trump
supporter and Fox viewer. I Speaker 2: could go through the list. It
kills me to see this complete rewriting of history by the right.4 minutes, 4 seconds
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a really good point. And actually, Cesar Cezac had targeted a friend of mine who4 minutes, 12 seconds
Speaker
1: worked for Hillary. And it was a sort of point of pride being on
that list, because it showed Speaker 1: that you really mattered to that
guy in 2018.4 minutes, 21 seconds
Speaker
2: Well, two interesting things about Cesar Sayoc, Speaker 2: some of
your listeners and viewers might not know. Speaker 2: Number one, when
he went to court, Speaker 2: his lawyer's defense was he watched Fox all
day long.4 minutes, 31 seconds
Speaker
2: He scheduled his entire day around Fox shows, Speaker 2: his meals
around Fox shows. Speaker 2: They blamed Fox, interestingly.4 minutes, 38 seconds
Speaker
2: And number two, did you see the reporting recently Speaker 2: that
someone in the government tried to move Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein into
Cesar Sayoc's cell Speaker 2: because they were hoping, apparently,4 minutes, 47 seconds
Speaker 2: that Sayoc would kill him?4 minutes, 51 seconds
Speaker 1: that is an insane crazy little epstein twist and we saw that there's an epstein suicide note right4 minutes, 57 seconds
Speaker 1: that may or may not be legit that what new york times is reporting on so there definitely is by5 minutes, 3 seconds
Speaker 1: the way the epstein story has fallen from the news cycle because donald trump invaded iran for no5 minutes, 10 seconds
Speaker
2: reason and made gas for five dollars a gallon. Right. But the war is
so bad in Iran that Melania Speaker 2: Trump brought it back to Epstein
recently with her random statement. It is very strange. I mean,5 minutes, 23 seconds
Speaker
1: they are very disciplined, except when it comes to this, where
clearly we're not getting the entire Speaker 1: story. And someday we
will. The Nora O'Donnell interview the day after the assassination last5 minutes, 34 seconds
Speaker
2: Sunday for 60 minutes, where Trump lost his shit because she read
out from this alleged manifesto Speaker 2: that, you know, I don't want a
rapist, a pedophile, a traitor. And Trump said, I'm not any of those5 minutes, 44 seconds
Speaker
2: things. And she said, oh, you think he's talking about you? And
everyone praised Nora O'Donnell for Speaker 2: the little burn. And it
was a clever burn. But you know what? You know me, Molly. I prefer a
tougher5 minutes, 52 seconds
Speaker
2: interview. I would rather she have said when he said, I've never
raped anyone. She should have Speaker 2: said, well, a jury of your
peers in New York found you liable for sexual abuse. Isn't it crazy,
Molly,6 minutes, 1 second
Speaker 2: that he's been president for a year and a half now and no interviewer has ever asked him about the6 minutes, 7 seconds
Speaker
2: sexual abuse case. Never. Never. There's been no TV interview where
any journalist has sat down and Speaker 2: said, you were found liable
for sexual abuse by a jury of your peers in New York. I was talking to6 minutes, 18 seconds
Speaker
1: someone off air who was talking about how Donald Trump, he talks to
Donald Trump because Donald Speaker 1: Trump talks, he basically talks
to every mainstream journalist. He just calls them and they have his6 minutes, 29 seconds
Speaker 1: number and sometimes. And he was saying he asked him about the war and why it was, we were on week6 minutes, 37 seconds
Speaker
1: seven of a three-hour tour. And he said, and he started screaming at
him. And it reminded me of Speaker 1: the time that I got screamed at
by a certain Democratic politician for an hour on the phone.6 minutes, 48 seconds
Speaker
1: I can't say who, because that politician said it was off the record,
but he did scream at me for an Speaker 1: hour. So let's talk now about
Graham Plattner. The Democratic leadership is in trouble.6 minutes, 59 seconds
Speaker
2: Democratic leadership is in trouble because they backed Janet Mills,
the governor of Maine, against a very popular insurgent, progressive
populist candidate, Graham Plattner.7 minutes, 8 seconds
Speaker
2: He's been leading in the polls by double digits for months now.
Speaker 2: She finally pulled out this week, you know, accepted the
inevitable, very graceless statement.7 minutes, 15 seconds
Speaker
2: She didn't say anything of support for him against Susan Collins.
Speaker 2: Remember, she's pals with Susan Collins. That's part of the
problem with the kind of establishment stitch ups there.7 minutes, 23 seconds
Speaker
1: But the real problem was she's 78 years old. Speaker 2: Yeah, she
said she would only serve for one term. Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 2:
Kind of retired of that, I think, in the Democratic Party. Speaker 1:
Yes.7 minutes, 31 seconds
Speaker
1: You cannot say that after Joe Biden, you cannot run for office and
say you'll only serve for Speaker 1: one term. Speaker 1: She would be
84 when she was up for re-election.7 minutes, 40 seconds
Speaker
2: Still younger than Charles Grassley, but yes. Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 1: Still younger than Chuck Grassley, but still pretty old.
Speaker 1: And again, the Senate is all about seniority.7 minutes, 49 seconds
Speaker
1: So let's talk about what you think went wrong there. Speaker 2: I
mean, she was a perfectly decent governor, as far as I'm aware. Speaker
2: She was popular.7 minutes, 55 seconds
Speaker 2: She won statewide office. But as you say, she was old. She was too friendly with Susan Collins.8 minutes
Speaker
2: It's just not where the base is. The Democratic Party want fighters,
not folders. You hear this Speaker 2: line all the time from Democrats.
Look at Tallarico in Texas. These are the people they want. Look at8 minutes, 8 seconds
Speaker
2: Graham Plattner in Maine. Look at Zoran Mondani. You know, on the
face of it, the three of them Speaker 2: don't really have much in
common in terms of their family backgrounds, their ethnicity, their8 minutes, 17 seconds
Speaker
2: religion, even some of their politics. But what do they have in
common? They are all running populist Speaker 2: campaigns. They're all
running insurgent campaigns. They're all willing to call out Republicans
in a8 minutes, 27 seconds
Speaker
2: way that Democrats have not been willing to call out Republicans.
And by the way, they've all taken Speaker 2: strong stances on Israel,
which I know some in the establishment say, oh, that's a foreign policy8 minutes, 34 seconds
Speaker
2: issue. No one cares about that. People do care about that. It helped
Salarico in Texas that he Speaker 2: took a very critical line of AIPAC
in that race. It clearly helped Zoran Mamdani. He didn't hurt Speaker
2: him in New York. And Graham Platt has been very strong. I interviewed
him recently on my show,8 minutes, 47 seconds
Speaker
2: and he was very strong about the genocide in Gaza and very, very
critical of Israel and talking Speaker 2: about how he will vote to stop
weapons going to Israel Speaker 2: to be used to kill kids.8 minutes, 56 seconds
Speaker
1: And I think we've got to talk about all those issues. Speaker 2: But
of course, you know, he's not a politician. Speaker 2: He's an
oysterman. Speaker 2: He's a veteran. Speaker 2: And he's said and done
things that he's regretted.9 minutes, 5 seconds
Speaker
2: He's apologized for. Speaker 2: Janet Mills tried to use it against
him. Speaker 2: Susan Collins certainly will in the general.9 minutes, 9 seconds
Speaker
2: Not just the tattoo on his chest that he had to cover up Speaker 1:
because it looked like a Nazi tattoo, Speaker 2: but also things he said
on various chat forums. Speaker 1: But you know what?9 minutes, 18 seconds
Speaker
2: None of that's hurt him in Maine, right? Speaker 2: His polls keep
going up every time the story is kind of like Trump in reverse, I hate
to say. Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a really good point.9 minutes, 26 seconds
Speaker
1: And I want to go back to the Middle East for a minute because Ken
Martin, Democrats have having this real amazing fundraising year
because, you know, the Democratic generic is 10 points.9 minutes, 39 seconds
Speaker 1: It's up 10 points. Speaker 1: OK, Democrats have the wind at their backs, but the DNC cannot raise money.9 minutes, 47 seconds
Speaker
1: And it is being helmed by a guy called Ken Martin, who is very
pleasant. Speaker 1: And he's Minnesota nice, but he is really having
trouble raising money.9 minutes, 57 seconds
Speaker
1: He went on Pod Save with the pod, Bruce. Speaker 2: I saw it. It was
cockish. Speaker 1: Yeah. And he refused to explain why they won't
release the autopsy.10 minutes, 7 seconds
Speaker
1: I think you and I both know why they won't release the autopsy.
Speaker 1: And I think some of it has to do with the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Yes. I think there's many things that Kamala Harris got wrong
that they probably don't want to talk about.10 minutes, 16 seconds
Speaker
2: But one of the big ones that we already know from a lot of reporting
and from groups like the IMEU, which is a pro-Palestine think tank in
D.C., which has been in conversations with the DNC about their
postmortem.10 minutes, 26 seconds
Speaker
2: Yes, they've acknowledged now what some of us said at the time,
which was that Gaza would cost you votes. Speaker 2: Gaza would cost the
Democrats votes in places like Michigan.10 minutes, 34 seconds
Speaker
2: And I think you and I, Molly, were chatting the other day offline
about the Bulwark folks and that clip that's doing the rounds of them
saying, and I have great respect for Sarah and Tim, I know them well.10 minutes, 45 seconds
Speaker
2: But, you know, they were saying on the eve of the election, oh,
yeah, she's definitely going to win Michigan. Speaker 2: This centrist
messaging is exactly what the public need.10 minutes, 52 seconds
Speaker
2: There was no factoring in of what happens if the left stay home?
Speaker 2: What happens if minority communities stay home? Speaker 2:
This idea that there was nowhere else for people to go. Speaker 2: Yeah,
there is the couch.11 minutes
Speaker
2: The couch was for people to go home. Speaker 2: Forget Jill Stein.
Speaker 2: Forget people who defected to Trump. Speaker 2: What about
the people who just didn't show up? Speaker 2: And we've seen that in
the polling since. Speaker 2: Even Kamala Harris kind of nodded to it in
her memoir.11 minutes, 10 seconds
Speaker
2: But they really screwed up. Speaker 2: And Ken Martin not being able
to say why they won't publish it. Speaker 2: We all know why. Speaker
2: And by the way, Ben Wickler from Wisconsin was a much better
candidate for that job and didn't get that job.11 minutes, 19 seconds
Speaker
2: Again, you need a populist. You need an insurgent, not an
establishment person. Speaker 1: And the reason he didn't get that job
is that the DNC chair is elected by state party chairs.11 minutes, 30 seconds
Speaker
1: So Ken Martin had been the Minnesota state party chair. Speaker 1:
He had a relationship with all these state party chairs.11 minutes, 36 seconds
Speaker
1: And so they all voted for him, which I think is a really good
example of the ways in which, you know, like, for example, Democrats
don't have an age limit on committee chairs.11 minutes, 45 seconds
Speaker
1: So if you're a committee chair, if you chair oversight or you chair,
you know, whatever you chair, you know, judiciary, there is no age
cutoff.11 minutes, 55 seconds
Speaker
1: Republicans have an age cutoff. So that means that you have these
people in Congress serving on these committees way longer than they
should.12 minutes, 4 seconds
Speaker
2: We should have age cutoffs everywhere, including the freaking
president. I'm fed up with a gerontocracy in this country. Speaker 2: I
think it's absurd that we have an age limit on who can run for
president.12 minutes, 13 seconds
Speaker 2: 35 is the limit. You have to be 35 or more to run for president, but there's no upper issue.12 minutes, 18 seconds
Speaker
2: There's a lower limit, but there's not an upper limit. I think it's
absurd. We've seen that with Speaker 2: Trump. We've seen that with
Biden. Trump is bragging about acing his dementia test just yesterday.12 minutes, 26 seconds
Speaker
2: You know, that's the timeline we live in now where the president
brags about acing a dementia test, Speaker 2: man, person, camera, TV,
whatever the shit that was. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think, look,12 minutes, 35 seconds
Speaker
2: the Democratic Party is super out of touch. The leadership is super
old. Chuck Schumer's got to go. Speaker 2: Graham Platt, and I said that
to me on his show recently, Chuck Schumer's got to go.12 minutes, 45 seconds
Speaker
2: In Michigan, whether it's Mallory McMorrow or Abdul Al-Said, God
help us if it's Hayley Stevens, Speaker 2: but if it's Mallory McMorrow
or Abdul Al-Said, they both said,12 minutes, 52 seconds
Speaker
2: we will not vote for Chuck Schumer to be leader of our party in the
Senate if we get there. Speaker 1: Let's do a minute on this Democratic
primary in Michigan. Speaker 1: So it's a very late primary.13 minutes, 1 second
Speaker
1: They do not vote until August, okay? Speaker 1: It's gotten very
ugly. Speaker 1: Michigan, I want to actually go back to Michigan
because Michigan was this,13 minutes, 11 seconds
Speaker 1: You know, the Bulwark crew felt that Michigan would come out for Liz Cheney. Speaker 1: Michigan has a large...13 minutes, 19 seconds
Speaker
2: Not just Liz Cheney. Speaker 2: They also sent Richie Torres.
Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 2: And they sent Bill Clinton, who gave a
lecture about the history of the Bible and why the land is Jewish.
Speaker 1: Yeah.13 minutes, 28 seconds
Speaker
1: There's a pretty big Muslim population in Michigan. Speaker 2: Is
there? Speaker 2: No idea. Speaker 2: I had no idea. Speaker 2: Nor did
the Harris campaign, apparently.13 minutes, 36 seconds
Speaker
1: Yes, nor did the Harris. Speaker 1: And in fact, they so alienated
the Muslim population in Michigan that some of the mayors went to Trump.13 minutes, 47 seconds
Speaker
2: Yes. Look, I'm not defending. Speaker 1: Dearborn, right? Dearborn?
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no. The mayor of Dearborn is Abdullah Hamoud,
very good guy, rising star in the Democratic Party.13 minutes, 56 seconds
Speaker
1: OK. Speaker 2: He had issues with Kamala Harris. She didn't want to
meet, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Speaker 2: Yeah, she wouldn't meet
with him. Speaker 2: But he didn't vote for Trump. It was a different
mayor of Dearborn Heights, different part, who did.14 minutes, 4 seconds
Speaker
2: and they got ambassador jobs. Speaker 2: And then there was a guy in
Hamtramck, Michigan, Speaker 1: another very Arab-American town who
supported Trump. Speaker 2: And then there were these imams who went on
stage with him. Speaker 2: I interviewed one of them.14 minutes, 13 seconds
Speaker 2: They said, Trump is the candidate of peace.14 minutes, 14 seconds
Speaker
2: I'd love to get that imam back on the show now Speaker 2: and ask
him how he feels about that. Speaker 2: But he doesn't want to come back
on the show, weirdly. Speaker 2: We've asked. Speaker 2: Weirdly,
doesn't want to come back and defend that.14 minutes, 22 seconds
Speaker
2: So look, yes, did some Arab-Americans, Speaker 2: Muslim-Americans
in places like Michigan, Speaker 2: fall for the Trump bullshit that he
was going to be anti-war?14 minutes, 32 seconds
Speaker
2: Yes. Speaker 1: And did some Jews, by the way? Speaker 1: I mean,
did some African-Americans did some, you know, Latino voters? Speaker 2:
Yeah, I think we have to be.14 minutes, 41 seconds
Speaker
2: Look, I'm glad you brought Michigan because especially for a liberal
audience, it's a little bit nuanced. Speaker 2: Let me unpack it very
quickly. Speaker 2: Yes, some Muslim Americans did defect to Trump in
big numbers in some of these parts,14 minutes, 50 seconds
Speaker
2: including prominent figures who got jobs out of it. Speaker 2: And
then some of them believed the bullshit that Trump would be anti-war.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the anti-war lane was left empty by Kamala
Harris,14 minutes, 59 seconds
Speaker
2: who decided to campaign with Liz Cheney, warmonger. Speaker 2: So
when Trump said Liz Cheney is going to send your kids to die in the
Middle East or going to kill your families in Lebanon, they believed
him.15 minutes, 8 seconds
Speaker
2: He was lying. They believed him. I'm not defending them. But that
was the situation. Speaker 2: Yeah. Having said that, it really annoys
me when you go on a blue sky and you see kind of white liberals saying,
ha ha, Muslims, you all voted for this.15 minutes, 19 seconds
Speaker
2: Well, first of all, a majority of Muslims voted for the Democratic
candidate. Let's just be clear about that. Speaker 2: And number two,
Jill Stein, and I was not a fan of Jill Stein, didn't actually make the
difference.15 minutes, 27 seconds
Speaker
2: Even if Jill Stein hadn't run, he still would have won Michigan.
Speaker 2: There's much deep-seated issues that the Democratic Party has
to deal with.15 minutes, 33 seconds
Speaker
2: Every time the Democrats lose, they can't just blame Jill Stein,
Russia, this group of voters, Speaker 2: that group. Speaker 2: You have
to take responsibility for the campaign you ran, for the decisions you
made.15 minutes, 42 seconds
Speaker
2: And I think, you know, and by the way, in a place like Michigan, one
thing I said at Speaker 2: the time was, I think that Donald Trump, I
knew that Donald Trump would be worse than Speaker 1: Kamala Harris on
the Middle East and on war.15 minutes, 50 seconds
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Speaker 2: Having said that, I could not, I could never, and I'm not a polisher, so I don't have to,15 minutes, 55 seconds
Speaker
2: but I could never go to a family in Dearborn, Michigan, who've lost
like 50 people in Gaza Speaker 2: and say, you must vote for Kamala
Harris and Joe Biden. Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 2: Of course not.
Speaker 2: That's the reality.16 minutes, 3 seconds
Speaker
2: A lot of these people in Michigan had lost not one, not two, Speaker
2: dozens of family members in Gaza. Speaker 2: And Kamala Harris
wasn't even willing to go there.16 minutes, 11 seconds
Speaker
2: She didn't even go to Dearborn to talk to them. Speaker 2: Trump
did. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: Listen, everyone I knew who was
Palestinian, I would say,16 minutes, 19 seconds
Speaker
1: you know, is everybody OK there? Speaker 1: And they would say
they're dead. Speaker 1: They're all dead. Speaker 1: Like, it was just
the entire family's decimated.16 minutes, 27 seconds
Speaker 1: But I also think when I think about the when I went to the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Speaker 2: Yes.16 minutes, 33 seconds
Speaker
1: One of the things that I saw was that they would not have a Muslim
speaker. Speaker 2: A Palestinian woman who was endorsing Harris.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't have her on stage.16 minutes, 42 seconds
Speaker
1: They wouldn't have her on stage. Speaker 1: That was number one.
Speaker 1: And then they had Hassan Piker there. Speaker 1: But they
wouldn't really let him do stuff.16 minutes, 50 seconds
Speaker
2: Well, they kicked him out, didn't they, halfway through? Speaker 2:
That was before he had become a national villain for Fox and co. Speaker
1: Right. Speaker 1: But he was there and I saw them.16 minutes, 59 seconds
Speaker
1: I couldn't tell if they had kicked him out or he had left. Speaker
1: It did not seem he was not getting the same welcome that the rest of
us were, which I think is the point of this.17 minutes, 9 seconds
Speaker
1: You know, they handled it very badly. Speaker 2: And this race in
Michigan, again, the party establishment basically backed Haley Stevens,
who is the AIPAC backed candidate, the centrist.17 minutes, 18 seconds
Speaker
2: And it's not just that her views on Israel are horrific. Speaker 2:
Her views on most things are horrific. Speaker 2: She's also a robot
when you hear her speak. Speaker 2: Did you see her go to this ICE
detention facility and come out and say,17 minutes, 26 seconds
Speaker
2: well, they've got female guards. Speaker 2: Woo! Speaker 2: Like,
you can't make that shit up. Speaker 2: 1990s girl boss. Speaker 2:
Yeah, exactly. Speaker 2: At least the ICE detention camp is run by
women.17 minutes, 36 seconds
Speaker
2: She's awful. Speaker 2: Luckily, the polls show she's in third
place. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 1: She's also just a very poor speaker.
Speaker 2: Poor speaker. Speaker 1: Just a completely charisma-free
zone.17 minutes, 45 seconds
Speaker
2: Mallory McMorrow is a very good speaker. Speaker 2: I remember an
interview after she first went viral as a state rep many years ago.17 minutes, 50 seconds
Speaker
2: She's running against Abdul El-Sayed, who is this Muslim American,
Arab American doctor who ran against Gretchen Whitmer in the
gubernatorial primary as a Bernie back guy a few years ago.17 minutes, 59 seconds
Speaker
2: He's actually had a boost recently, which is funny because he also
got heavily attacked for campaigning with Hassan Paikah in Michigan.18 minutes, 6 seconds
Speaker
2: Guess what? It didn't actually backfire on him. It actually boosted
him in the polls because young people, oh, can he actually like some of
this stuff, funnily enough? Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's a very close race.
We did a poll for Zataya recently with Dropside.18 minutes, 16 seconds
Speaker
2: It's a kind of dead heat three ways. Speaker 2: But Abdul seems to
be having a boost. Speaker 2: Mallory is another strong candidate.
Speaker 2: She's been criticized for her shifting positions on Israel.18 minutes, 25 seconds
Speaker
2: Israel keeps coming back to the race. Speaker 2: I know it bothers
people, but guess what? Speaker 2: The Democratic base actually care
about genocide abroad.18 minutes, 31 seconds
Speaker
1: Well, and I also think it is a really big issue Speaker 1: because
we are right now in a war with Iran Speaker 1: that has to do a lot with
Netanyahu, right?18 minutes, 42 seconds
Speaker
1: Where Netanyahu basically tricked Trump into getting into it.
Speaker 1: And it's not anti-Semitic. And as a Jew, I'm telling you,
it's not anti-Semitic to say that the leader of Israel is super corrupt
and has our president wrapped around his little finger.18 minutes, 55 seconds
Speaker
2: Well, some people would say this anti-Semitic to say that. Speaker
1: But as a Jew, I'm telling you, it's not. It's not anti-Semitic.19 minutes, 2 seconds
Speaker
2: Even as a non-Jew, common sense tells you to report what you see
with your eyes and ears. Speaker 2: Netanyahu himself said, I couldn't,
you know, 40 years I waited for Trump to do this war.19 minutes, 11 seconds
Speaker
2: One thing I would say about Michigan that's really important and
about the race there, which is people care about genocide.19 minutes, 18 seconds
Speaker
2: But the other issue is my good friend Ryan Grimm of Dropside, we did
the poll together. Speaker 2: He made a very good point. He said Israel
is not just about Israel. Speaker 2: AIPAC is not just about Israel.
It's a proxy for other things.19 minutes, 27 seconds
Speaker
2: The voters want to see that if you can't stand up to Benjamin
Netanyahu and if you can't stand against these dumb wars that we all
hate, why should we trust you on other issues?19 minutes, 35 seconds
Speaker
2: Why do we see you as a strong person? Biden was seen as weak for not
being able to restrain Benjamin Netanyahu. Speaker 2: That added to the
ambient noise about this guy being weak and just not a strong leader.19 minutes, 44 seconds
Speaker
2: So it's not just about Israel, although Israel itself matters, but
also what does Israel stand for within the Democratic-Petardy debate
when it comes to fighters?19 minutes, 51 seconds
Speaker 1: And I think that we're out of time, but I do think like Haley Stevens is the weakest of the three candidates.19 minutes, 58 seconds
Speaker
1: Just when you hear her speak like a person and why you would endorse
that person is just baffling. Speaker 2: I mean, establishment. I mean,
this is Chuck Schumer. He picks awful people.20 minutes, 8 seconds
Speaker
2: He doesn't have a good track record of picking people. Speaker 1:
Don't make me defend Chuck Schumer, Speaker 1: but he did do a North
Carolina and Ohio both good candidates.20 minutes, 17 seconds
Speaker
2: Yes, I mean, look. Speaker 2: Sorry. Speaker 2: He's not across the
board bad, Speaker 2: but he has some pretty bad judgments. Speaker 2: I
think Maine is pretty humiliating for him. Speaker 1: Yeah,
humiliating, yeah.20 minutes, 25 seconds
Speaker 2: I think there's no other word but saying humiliating.20 minutes, 27 seconds
Speaker
2: Look, I think there's a consensus view now Speaker 2: that he's got
to go. Speaker 2: I mean, I think both him and Hakeem Jeffries both have
to go. Speaker 2: But Schumer is way more unpopular. Speaker 2: You
look at the polling,20 minutes, 35 seconds
Speaker
2: he's more unpopular than he's ever been. Speaker 2: He probably
won't run for re-election to the Senate because he knows he'll be
humiliatingly defeated in a primary, if not by AOC, then by someone
else.20 minutes, 44 seconds
Speaker
2: So I think it would be mad if everyone knows he's on his way out for
him to try and be leader again. Speaker 1: My position would be very
simple. Speaker 1: I agree. Speaker 2: He lost the Senate.20 minutes, 52 seconds
Speaker
2: So you should have stepped down as leader then. Speaker 2: When you
lose an election, you should step down. Speaker 1: We should make that
the norm in America. Speaker 2: You lose an election, you step down.20 minutes, 59 seconds
Speaker
2: You don't go, I lost, but I'm going to try again. Speaker 2: No, you
lost. Speaker 2: Let someone else do it. Speaker 2: So the fact that
he's still the Senate leader for Democrats is insane to me.21 minutes, 8 seconds
Speaker 2: Insane. Speaker 2: Thank you. Speaker 2: Thank you. Speaker 2: Thank you, Maddie.
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