Joe: Trump is on the wrong side of history with Ukraine and our allies are stepping into the void

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May 5, 2026 #trump #politics #ukraine

Prime Minister Mark Carney says his government will contribute $270 million to help Ukraine secure critical military capabilities, the CBC reports. The Morning Joe panel discusses. MS NOW: My Source for News, Opinion, and the World. » Subscribe to MS NOW:

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ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE POSSIBILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SORT OF BOAT SWARMS,

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SWARMS OF BOATS ATTACKING U .S. VESSELS.

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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE UKRAINIANS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

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I AM STRUCK AND I I KNOW HISTORIANS WILL DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT AWAY

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IRAN IN THE TWO WEEKS THAT DONALD TRUMP THOUGHT HE WAS GOING PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH OFF IRAN AND BRING THEM TO THEIR KNEES.

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VLADIMIR PUTIN'S THREE-DAY WAR NOW POSSIBLY ACTUALLY BRINGING DOWN HIS GOVERNMENT, TALK ABOUT THE PARALLELS IN THESE

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TWO WARS AND WHAT YOU SEE THE UKRAINIANS DOING TO THE RUSSIANS AND THE IRANIANS FOLLOWING UP A TELL YOU THE SAME THREATS TO DO THE SAME TO THE UNITED STATES.

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IT WAS ALWAYS A VERY, VERY DUMB IDEA FOR THE RUSSIANS TO GO TO WAR WITH A COUNTRY FILLED WITH IT SPECIALISTS

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out of Mali. They played a part, albeit minimal,

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in giving drone technology to the Syrians when they wanted to oust Bashar al-Assad.

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And now they're doing what they call kinetic sanctions, which is basically going after the shadow fleet,

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blowing them up THEY ARE DOING THESE DEEP STRIKES DEEP,

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DEEP INTO RUSSIAN TERRITORY AS FAR AFIELD AS SIBERIA.

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I MEAN NOT A DAY OR NIGHT GOES BY WHERE SOME OIL REFINERY IN RUSSIAN IS SET ABLAZE.

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RUSSIAN ECONOMISTS, THE HONEST ONES AT LEAST ARE THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE LIFTING OF SANCTIONS, WHICH WE DID BECAUSE OF OUR WAR IN IRAN,

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ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE RUSSIANS WOULD HAVE LIKED. THERE'S A SORT OF A SUGAR HIGH, BUT IT WILL SUBSIDE.

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AND THE UKRAINIANS, I MEAN, HAVE ABSOLUTELY WAGED this incredible hybrid campaign. And, you know, we've helped them, by the way, Joe.

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I mean, one of the things I want to emphasize here is in spite of Donald Trump's presidency and his refusal to see Ukraine as an indispensable ally and partner,

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you know, Zelensky went around TRUMP WAS QUITE DOWN ON THAT BILATERAL DIPLOMACY BY ZELENSKYY.

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HE WANTS THE UKRAINIANS ON THE HOOK SO HE CAN IMPOSE A DEAL ON THE However, the U .S.

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intelligence community has not stopped its support for the Ukrainians. In fact, that support, I'm told, at high levels of the U .S. intelligence community has only expanded.

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So we are helping the Ukrainians kind of wage war against Russia in a covert fashion.

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And one CIA officer told me at one point that we see the Ukrainians the way we saw the Cubans in 1959.

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These are going to be an emigre population.

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These He's going to be kind of our proxy force to do all kinds of interesting things the world over.

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So I think the Ukrainians are playing from two sets of books here.

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Number one, they understand Donald Trump doesn't like them.

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They understand that Donald Trump has a particular contempt for Volodymyr Zelensky.

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He sees him as inextricably linked to his first impeachment in Term 1. On the other hand, nobody can deny, you know,

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it's one thing to have solidarity READY TO FEEL PITY FOR A VICTIM WHICH UKRAINE WAS. BUT UKRAINE IS NOT LOSING.

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UKRAINE IS A WINNER ON THE GLOBAL STAGE AND THIS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY THE UNITED STATES HAS TO APPRECIATE,

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IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE BEGINNING TO APPRECIATE.

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WHEN ZELENSKYY CAN THREATEN RUSSIA AND SAY YOU GUYS ARE AFRAID OF HAVING A PROPER YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR TANKS AND YOUR KIT OUT BECAUSE OF FEAR OF OUR DRONES,

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AND THIS WAS AGAIN SUPPOSED TO BE A THREE-DAY CONFLICT,

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THE RUSSIAN TROOPS AND RUSSIAN COLUMNS AT THE POLISH BORDER WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

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THAT IS NOTHING SHORT OF A BREATHTAKING STATE OF AFFAIRS.

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THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THE ANALYTIC COMMUNITY SAW COMING. SENIOR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS STILL INSISTS,

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RICHARD, THAT RUSSIA IS ON THE VERGE OF WINNING THIS WAR.

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BUT THE FACTS ON THE WE ARE SEEING THAT IN THE BEHAVIOR OF THE COUNTRIES INVOLVED,

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SUGGESTING THIS IS A STALEMATE AT BEST AND FRANKLY UKRAINE HAS A LOT OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW AND THAT COMES WITH THESE MEETINGS IN ARMENIA. LONG-TIME SORT

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WE ARE SEEING THESE EUROPEAN LEADERS,

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INCLUDING LEADERS OF CANADA STEP FORWARD AND SAY WE ARE HERE.

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SO TALK TO US ABOUT HOW YOU SEE THIS CONFLICT GOING ON.

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WILL THERE BE THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN POINT WHERE THE U .S. KIND OF HAS TO GET ON BOARD AND SAY, AT THE VERY LEAST,

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WE'RE GOING TO STOP TRYING TO IMPOSE A BAD DEAL ON UKRAINE.

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THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED, NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. LOOK, A COUPLE OF WHAT A REMARKABLE DEVELOPMENT.

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IT'S PART OF THIS LARGER REVOLUTION IN MILITARY AFFAIRS. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LAGGING. BUT But you see it with drones and all these, you know, inexpensive,

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easily to mass-produced systems, anti-ship weapons, anti-aircraft weapons. So we're a generation behind in some ways.

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So Ukraine is the forefront. really fast anything.

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Politically, what's going on with Canada is also a transitional moment.

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What we're beginning to see is essentially a lot of countries in Europe,

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a lot of our allies around the world have essentially given up on the United States.

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They've given up that we are there to have their back. Article five kinds of questions with NATO.

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And a lot of them essentially say you Americans are too erratic. You're too unilateral.

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Whether it's tariffs or your diplomacy or we can't count on you.

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So what you're essentially seeing in the economic realm, the strategic realm, the diplomatic realm,

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you're seeing the emergence of a post-American world where for 80 years, we have been the center.

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of international relations, that phase or that era rather is essentially now giving way and we're seeing a lot of other Ukraine maybe in the drone space,

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Canada diplomatically. You see France, Germany and so forth.

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Countries are no

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We have gone, if you will, from being the center of most relationships and most institutions.

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By the way, we've withdrawn from many of the institutions.

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So China's a beneficiary and what's happening is all these other countries are now scrambling to fill the void. So what's going on is a harbinger of the future.

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Again, this is the post-American world. One last point.

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Not because others have become so strong but because we've pulled back. This is IT'S THE TRULY ODD, ALMOST BIZARRE POINT.

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THE UNITED STATES HAS DECIDED WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN EMPIRE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE A GREAT POWER IN MANY WAYS.

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SO WE'VE CREATED A VACUUM AND BOTH ADVERSARIES AND FRIENDS IT'S A GREAT THING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE WHICH IS OPENED.

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I MEAN, IT'S REMARKABLE.

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I MEAN, NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING THE FALL OF CONSTANTINOPLE FORCED PEOPLE TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER ROUTE TO INDIA.

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SO CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS SEARCH FOR THAT ROUTE, GOING WEST.

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IN THIS IN THIS SITUATION, YOU HAVE THE EUROPEANS WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON THE UNITED STATES,

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THE CANADIANS WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON THE UNITED STATES, SEEING THAT THE UNITED STATES, INSTEAD OF HELPING, INSTEAD OF HELPING TO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BECOME THE ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY AGAIN,

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A FREEDOM LIKE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE PAST CENTURY AND IT CREATED THE AMERICAN CENTURY.

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WILLIE, YOU'VE HAD WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION LYING, CONSTANTLY LYING ABOUT UKRAINE. UKRAINE IS LOSING THE WAR. UKRAINE IS HOLDING NO CARDS.

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UKRAINE IS ABOUT TO LOSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE THAT THE UKRAINE BETTER GO TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE BECAUSE THIS WAR IS ALMOST OVER.

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I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE TOLD ME THAT OVER THE PAST YEAR AND EVERY TIME I'VE LAUGHED AT THEM.

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SAID NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT LOSING.

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THING I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THING IS WITH UKRAINE,

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BUT RUSSIA IS NOT WINNING THIS WAR AND UKRAINE IS NOT LOSING AND THEY'RE NOT

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THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF EUROPE ALONG WITH OUR OTHER ALLIES,

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ALONG WITH CANADA COMING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER.

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THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS TIME AND AGAIN, WILLIE, BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY I'VE SAID IT.

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YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION LIKE J .D. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. DONALD TRUMP WHO HATES EUROPE. SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HATE EUROPE.

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OH, THEY'RE THEY HAVE THE SECOND-LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.

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EUROPE, THE EU'S ECONOMY, THEIR GDP,

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ALONG WITH GREAT THE UNITED STATES TEAMS UP WITH

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OUR NATURAL ALLIES THAT TOOK DOWN THE SOVIET UNION AND HITLER, PRETTY STRONG. BUT EUROPE CAN THEY CAN GO IT ALONE,

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IF THEY NEED TO GO IT ALONE.

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WHY WOULDN'T THE UNITED STATES WANT TO BE SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER WITH SUCH POWERFUL THAT'S A QUESTION FOR DONALD

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TRUMP AND HIS STORIES TO ANSWER BECAUSE FOR THE LIFE OF ME,

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WILLY, I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY HE CONTINUES TO TRY TO I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO SAVE VLADIMIR PUTIN, THE GUY WHO HAS INVADED UKRAINE,

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WHO INVADED GEORGIA, WHO WANTS TO INVADE OTHER EUROPEAN HE'S IN LARGE COUNTRIES AS WELL.

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DONALD TRUMP IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HIS, OF HISTORY.

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THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF history, and yet who's stepping into that void?

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Canadians. Europeans.

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The British. And it's making a big difference. Yeah, as recently as last week,

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that 90 minute phone call President Trump unannounced had with President Putin where he came out of it and said Putin wants to make

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a deal but he doesn't have somebody on the other side who will make a deal which is exactly the opposite of what's going on and for whatever reason Joe it's been something

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of a mystery though perhaps not a complete mystery why he's always for the last decade at least given Vladimir Putin the benefit

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of the doubt and in that infamous meeting last year where the President Vice President harangued Zelensky when he came to the Oval

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Office and said you don't have the cards well as we see here this morning yeah President Zelensky saying you know what I'm holding a pretty good hand right now in a matter

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of fact I'd like to offer you some drone technology for your war with Iran yeah saying

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that he's holding absolutely no cards when it's just the opposite and again the Ukrainians time and time again getting battered and abused

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by Donald Trump and again it makes absolutely no sense to anybody at all Willie but there you have it I mean the Ukrainians

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they can do this with us or they can do this without us and right now they go from Donald Trump saying they're holding no cards to deciding

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whether the Russians can hold a parade in Moscow on May 5th and and 6th.

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That's an extraordinary moment more than four years into this war editor at the Insider Michael Weiss Michael thanks as always good to see you still ahead

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