Joe: Trump is on the wrong side of history with Ukraine and our allies are stepping into the void
Joe: Trump is on the wrong side of history with Ukraine and our allies are stepping into the void
Prime Minister Mark Carney says his government will contribute $270 million to help Ukraine secure critical military capabilities, the CBC reports. The Morning Joe panel discusses.
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OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
THE POSSIBILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SORT OF BOAT
SWARMS,0:06
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SWARMS OF BOATS ATTACKING U .S. VESSELS.0:10
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE UKRAINIANS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.0:13
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I AM STRUCK AND I I KNOW HISTORIANS WILL DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT AWAY0:22
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IRAN
IN THE TWO WEEKS THAT DONALD TRUMP THOUGHT HE WAS GOING PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH OFF IRAN AND BRING THEM TO THEIR KNEES.0:28
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VLADIMIR PUTIN'S THREE-DAY WAR NOW POSSIBLY ACTUALLY BRINGING DOWN HIS GOVERNMENT, TALK ABOUT THE PARALLELS IN THESE0:37
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TWO
WARS AND WHAT YOU SEE THE UKRAINIANS DOING TO THE RUSSIANS AND THE
IRANIANS FOLLOWING UP A TELL YOU THE SAME THREATS TO DO THE SAME TO THE
UNITED STATES.0:46
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IT WAS ALWAYS A VERY, VERY DUMB IDEA FOR THE RUSSIANS TO GO TO WAR WITH A COUNTRY FILLED WITH IT SPECIALISTS1:06
1 minute, 6 seconds
out of Mali. They played a part, albeit minimal,1:09
1 minute, 9 seconds
in giving drone technology to the Syrians when they wanted to oust Bashar al-Assad.1:13
1 minute, 13 seconds
And now they're doing what they call kinetic sanctions, which is basically going after the shadow fleet,1:17
1 minute, 17 seconds
blowing them up THEY ARE DOING THESE DEEP STRIKES DEEP,1:22
1 minute, 22 seconds
DEEP INTO RUSSIAN TERRITORY AS FAR AFIELD AS SIBERIA.1:25
1 minute, 25 seconds
I MEAN NOT A DAY OR NIGHT GOES BY WHERE SOME OIL REFINERY IN RUSSIAN IS SET ABLAZE.1:30
1 minute, 30 seconds
RUSSIAN
ECONOMISTS, THE HONEST ONES AT LEAST ARE THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE
LIFTING OF SANCTIONS, WHICH WE DID BECAUSE OF OUR WAR IN IRAN,1:36
1 minute, 36 seconds
ARE
NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE RUSSIANS
WOULD HAVE LIKED. THERE'S A SORT OF A SUGAR HIGH, BUT IT WILL SUBSIDE.1:43
1 minute, 43 seconds
AND
THE UKRAINIANS, I MEAN, HAVE ABSOLUTELY WAGED this incredible hybrid
campaign. And, you know, we've helped them, by the way, Joe.1:50
1 minute, 50 seconds
I
mean, one of the things I want to emphasize here is in spite of Donald
Trump's presidency and his refusal to see Ukraine as an indispensable
ally and partner,1:57
1 minute, 57 seconds
you know, Zelensky went around TRUMP WAS QUITE DOWN ON THAT BILATERAL DIPLOMACY BY ZELENSKYY.2:08
2 minutes, 8 seconds
HE WANTS THE UKRAINIANS ON THE HOOK SO HE CAN IMPOSE A DEAL ON THE However, the U .S.2:12
2 minutes, 12 seconds
intelligence
community has not stopped its support for the Ukrainians. In fact, that
support, I'm told, at high levels of the U .S. intelligence community
has only expanded.2:21
2 minutes, 21 seconds
So we are helping the Ukrainians kind of wage war against Russia in a covert fashion.2:26
2 minutes, 26 seconds
And one CIA officer told me at one point that we see the Ukrainians the way we saw the Cubans in 1959.2:33
2 minutes, 33 seconds
These are going to be an emigre population.2:35
2 minutes, 35 seconds
These He's going to be kind of our proxy force to do all kinds of interesting things the world over.2:40
2 minutes, 40 seconds
So I think the Ukrainians are playing from two sets of books here.2:43
2 minutes, 43 seconds
Number one, they understand Donald Trump doesn't like them.2:46
2 minutes, 46 seconds
They understand that Donald Trump has a particular contempt for Volodymyr Zelensky.2:50
2 minutes, 50 seconds
He sees him as inextricably linked to his first impeachment in Term 1. On the other hand, nobody can deny, you know,2:57
2 minutes, 57 seconds
it's one thing to have solidarity READY TO FEEL PITY FOR A VICTIM WHICH UKRAINE WAS. BUT UKRAINE IS NOT LOSING.3:05
3 minutes, 5 seconds
UKRAINE IS A WINNER ON THE GLOBAL STAGE AND THIS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY THE UNITED STATES HAS TO APPRECIATE,3:11
3 minutes, 11 seconds
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE BEGINNING TO APPRECIATE.3:13
3 minutes, 13 seconds
WHEN
ZELENSKYY CAN THREATEN RUSSIA AND SAY YOU GUYS ARE AFRAID OF HAVING A
PROPER YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR TANKS AND YOUR KIT OUT BECAUSE OF FEAR OF
OUR DRONES,3:23
3 minutes, 23 seconds
AND THIS WAS AGAIN SUPPOSED TO BE A THREE-DAY CONFLICT,3:25
3 minutes, 25 seconds
THE RUSSIAN TROOPS AND RUSSIAN COLUMNS AT THE POLISH BORDER WITHIN TWO WEEKS.3:29
3 minutes, 29 seconds
THAT IS NOTHING SHORT OF A BREATHTAKING STATE OF AFFAIRS.3:32
3 minutes, 32 seconds
THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THE ANALYTIC COMMUNITY SAW COMING. SENIOR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS STILL INSISTS,3:39
3 minutes, 39 seconds
RICHARD, THAT RUSSIA IS ON THE VERGE OF WINNING THIS WAR.3:41
3 minutes, 41 seconds
BUT THE FACTS ON THE WE ARE SEEING THAT IN THE BEHAVIOR OF THE COUNTRIES INVOLVED,3:48
3 minutes, 48 seconds
SUGGESTING
THIS IS A STALEMATE AT BEST AND FRANKLY UKRAINE HAS A LOT OF MOMENTUM
RIGHT NOW AND THAT COMES WITH THESE MEETINGS IN ARMENIA. LONG-TIME SORT4:00
4 minutes
WE ARE SEEING THESE EUROPEAN LEADERS,4:02
4 minutes, 2 seconds
INCLUDING LEADERS OF CANADA STEP FORWARD AND SAY WE ARE HERE.4:06
4 minutes, 6 seconds
SO TALK TO US ABOUT HOW YOU SEE THIS CONFLICT GOING ON.4:08
4 minutes, 8 seconds
WILL THERE BE THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN POINT WHERE THE U .S. KIND OF HAS TO GET ON BOARD AND SAY, AT THE VERY LEAST,4:14
4 minutes, 14 seconds
WE'RE GOING TO STOP TRYING TO IMPOSE A BAD DEAL ON UKRAINE.4:18
4 minutes, 18 seconds
THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED, NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. LOOK, A COUPLE OF WHAT A REMARKABLE DEVELOPMENT.4:30
4 minutes, 30 seconds
IT'S
PART OF THIS LARGER REVOLUTION IN MILITARY AFFAIRS. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY
LAGGING. BUT But you see it with drones and all these, you know,
inexpensive,4:38
4 minutes, 38 seconds
easily to mass-produced systems, anti-ship weapons, anti-aircraft weapons. So we're a generation behind in some ways.4:46
4 minutes, 46 seconds
So Ukraine is the forefront. really fast anything.4:51
4 minutes, 51 seconds
Politically, what's going on with Canada is also a transitional moment.4:55
4 minutes, 55 seconds
What we're beginning to see is essentially a lot of countries in Europe,4:59
4 minutes, 59 seconds
a lot of our allies around the world have essentially given up on the United States.5:02
5 minutes, 2 seconds
They've given up that we are there to have their back. Article five kinds of questions with NATO.5:08
5 minutes, 8 seconds
And a lot of them essentially say you Americans are too erratic. You're too unilateral.5:12
5 minutes, 12 seconds
Whether it's tariffs or your diplomacy or we can't count on you.5:17
5 minutes, 17 seconds
So what you're essentially seeing in the economic realm, the strategic realm, the diplomatic realm,5:22
5 minutes, 22 seconds
you're seeing the emergence of a post-American world where for 80 years, we have been the center.5:28
5 minutes, 28 seconds
of
international relations, that phase or that era rather is essentially
now giving way and we're seeing a lot of other Ukraine maybe in the
drone space,5:36
5 minutes, 36 seconds
Canada diplomatically. You see France, Germany and so forth.5:39
5 minutes, 39 seconds
Countries are no5:54
5 minutes, 54 seconds
We have gone, if you will, from being the center of most relationships and most institutions.5:59
5 minutes, 59 seconds
By the way, we've withdrawn from many of the institutions.6:02
6 minutes, 2 seconds
So
China's a beneficiary and what's happening is all these other countries
are now scrambling to fill the void. So what's going on is a harbinger
of the future.6:12
6 minutes, 12 seconds
Again, this is the post-American world. One last point.6:14
6 minutes, 14 seconds
Not because others have become so strong but because we've pulled back. This is IT'S THE TRULY ODD, ALMOST BIZARRE POINT.6:23
6 minutes, 23 seconds
THE UNITED STATES HAS DECIDED WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN EMPIRE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE A GREAT POWER IN MANY WAYS.6:29
6 minutes, 29 seconds
SO WE'VE CREATED A VACUUM AND BOTH ADVERSARIES AND FRIENDS IT'S A GREAT THING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE WHICH IS OPENED.6:37
6 minutes, 37 seconds
I MEAN, IT'S REMARKABLE.6:40
6 minutes, 40 seconds
I
MEAN, NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S
HAPPENING THE FALL OF CONSTANTINOPLE FORCED PEOPLE TO TRY TO FIND
ANOTHER ROUTE TO INDIA.6:51
6 minutes, 51 seconds
SO CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS SEARCH FOR THAT ROUTE, GOING WEST.6:57
6 minutes, 57 seconds
IN THIS IN THIS SITUATION, YOU HAVE THE EUROPEANS WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON THE UNITED STATES,7:01
7 minutes, 1 second
THE
CANADIANS WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON THE UNITED STATES, SEEING THAT THE
UNITED STATES, INSTEAD OF HELPING, INSTEAD OF HELPING TO I DON'T THINK
IT'S GOING TO BECOME THE ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY AGAIN,7:10
7 minutes, 10 seconds
A FREEDOM LIKE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE PAST CENTURY AND IT CREATED THE AMERICAN CENTURY.7:15
7 minutes, 15 seconds
WILLIE,
YOU'VE HAD WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION LYING, CONSTANTLY LYING ABOUT
UKRAINE. UKRAINE IS LOSING THE WAR. UKRAINE IS HOLDING NO CARDS.7:25
7 minutes, 25 seconds
UKRAINE
IS ABOUT TO LOSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES
PEOPLE THAT THE UKRAINE BETTER GO TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE BECAUSE THIS
WAR IS ALMOST OVER.7:32
7 minutes, 32 seconds
I
CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF PEOPLE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION HAVE TOLD ME THAT OVER THE PAST YEAR AND EVERY TIME I'VE
LAUGHED AT THEM.7:41
7 minutes, 41 seconds
SAID NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT LOSING.7:43
7 minutes, 43 seconds
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THING I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THING IS WITH UKRAINE,7:46
7 minutes, 46 seconds
BUT RUSSIA IS NOT WINNING THIS WAR AND UKRAINE IS NOT LOSING AND THEY'RE NOT7:55
7 minutes, 55 seconds
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF EUROPE ALONG WITH OUR OTHER ALLIES,7:58
7 minutes, 58 seconds
ALONG WITH CANADA COMING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER.8:02
8 minutes, 2 seconds
THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS TIME AND AGAIN, WILLIE, BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY I'VE SAID IT.8:07
8 minutes, 7 seconds
YOU'VE
GOT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION LIKE J .D. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN. DONALD TRUMP WHO HATES EUROPE. SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HATE
EUROPE.8:16
8 minutes, 16 seconds
OH, THEY'RE THEY HAVE THE SECOND-LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.8:25
8 minutes, 25 seconds
EUROPE, THE EU'S ECONOMY, THEIR GDP,8:28
8 minutes, 28 seconds
ALONG WITH GREAT THE UNITED STATES TEAMS UP WITH8:36
8 minutes, 36 seconds
OUR NATURAL ALLIES THAT TOOK DOWN THE SOVIET UNION AND HITLER, PRETTY STRONG. BUT EUROPE CAN THEY CAN GO IT ALONE,8:44
8 minutes, 44 seconds
IF THEY NEED TO GO IT ALONE.8:46
8 minutes, 46 seconds
WHY WOULDN'T THE UNITED STATES WANT TO BE SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER WITH SUCH POWERFUL THAT'S A QUESTION FOR DONALD8:56
8 minutes, 56 seconds
TRUMP AND HIS STORIES TO ANSWER BECAUSE FOR THE LIFE OF ME,8:59
8 minutes, 59 seconds
WILLY,
I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY HE CONTINUES TO TRY TO I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING
TO SAVE VLADIMIR PUTIN, THE GUY WHO HAS INVADED UKRAINE,9:07
9 minutes, 7 seconds
WHO INVADED GEORGIA, WHO WANTS TO INVADE OTHER EUROPEAN HE'S IN LARGE COUNTRIES AS WELL.9:17
9 minutes, 17 seconds
DONALD TRUMP IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HIS, OF HISTORY.9:19
9 minutes, 19 seconds
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF history, and yet who's stepping into that void?9:28
9 minutes, 28 seconds
Canadians. Europeans.9:30
9 minutes, 30 seconds
The British. And it's making a big difference. Yeah, as recently as last week,9:36
9 minutes, 36 seconds
that
90 minute phone call President Trump unannounced had with President
Putin where he came out of it and said Putin wants to make9:44
9 minutes, 44 seconds
a
deal but he doesn't have somebody on the other side who will make a
deal which is exactly the opposite of what's going on and for whatever
reason Joe it's been something9:51
9 minutes, 51 seconds
of a mystery though perhaps not a complete mystery why he's always for the last decade at least given Vladimir Putin the benefit9:58
9 minutes, 58 seconds
of
the doubt and in that infamous meeting last year where the President
Vice President harangued Zelensky when he came to the Oval10:06
10 minutes, 6 seconds
Office
and said you don't have the cards well as we see here this morning yeah
President Zelensky saying you know what I'm holding a pretty good hand
right now in a matter10:13
10 minutes, 13 seconds
of fact I'd like to offer you some drone technology for your war with Iran yeah saying10:20
10 minutes, 20 seconds
that
he's holding absolutely no cards when it's just the opposite and again
the Ukrainians time and time again getting battered and abused10:29
10 minutes, 29 seconds
by Donald Trump and again it makes absolutely no sense to anybody at all Willie but there you have it I mean the Ukrainians10:38
10 minutes, 38 seconds
they
can do this with us or they can do this without us and right now they
go from Donald Trump saying they're holding no cards to deciding10:46
10 minutes, 46 seconds
whether the Russians can hold a parade in Moscow on May 5th and and 6th.10:54
10 minutes, 54 seconds
That's
an extraordinary moment more than four years into this war editor at
the Insider Michael Weiss Michael thanks as always good to see you still
ahead
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